Colonel Alexander Plaksin, leading scientific expert of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the problem of anomalous aerospace phenomena, believes that the United States has become a superpower because it studied "flying saucers" …
- Alexander Alexandrovich, we argue: when readers see what the article is about, many will frown and will not read …
We were all vaccinated against UFOs. I am sure that if the aliens land on Red Square tomorrow, it will take about a month to prove that this is not a joke. Is it possible that the “yellow” press is to blame for everything, blabbering over the problem?
- Not only. Also the FBI and the US CIA.
- And you go there ?!
- But it really is. There is a documentary book by Bruce Maccabi "UFOs and the FBI", which shows how the secret services misinformed the public. They reduced all anomalous phenomena to one hypothesis: it’s de-aliens. They fanned hysteria. And then they launched a campaign in the press about the futility of scientific research on UFOs.
By the way, the FBI instruction concerning the work of the state services studying UFOs has been declassified: "To tell the public only fictions and jokes, and omit important results and technical details."
This was done with a long-range sight. Since the late seventies, scientists in the USSR have been studying anomalous phenomena. The Americans were worried. They started back in the forties. And in order not to lose the leadership, they began to discredit the idea.
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I will say more: many of the modern achievements of the American military-industrial complex come from laboratories that study anomalous phenomena. And if we had not dropped this important topic in the early nineties, the Americans today would not have been able to withdraw from the ABM Treaty!
New weapons are more terrible than atomic
- So it turns out that the enthusiasts are right when they say that the Americans got their stealth technology straight from the little green men?
- No, the knowledge of the aliens has nothing to do with it.
- So, not aliens fly over us? Please note: I am asking with a sinking heart …
- Oh well. There is no need to suffer so much. Maybe they are somewhere. But for fifteen years of work on the UFO problem, I have not received a single direct evidence that other civilizations are operating on Earth!
- It's all sad …
- The study of anomalous phenomena helps not so much in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, as in the development of the latest military technologies. The Americans have been doing this longer than we have - they skimmed the cream. Back in August 1954, the US Air Force received instruction number 200-2 on organizing observations and collecting reports about UFOs.
Since 1974, there has been a research center in the United States for the study of anomalous phenomena and UFOs with a special ground station. The result is obvious. The United States has already created a superweapon.
- Any giant laser?
- Not. In 1997, a radio-electronic station HAARP with a powerful radiating system was commissioned in Alaska. Imagine 180 antennas on a field with a total area of 13 hectares!
- And what is it?
“The Pentagon says it's a research station. But civilian scientists are not allowed on it, and there is evidence that the Americans have built a powerful geophysical weapon, the consequences of which they themselves do not even know.
- Why?
- Because they have not yet cut it to the fullest. They are afraid. Imagine: the power of the installation is three and a half million watts. Antennas allow you to focus short-wave radiation on the ionosphere and heat it up to form a high-temperature plasma. It turns out a kind of global microwave. It can easily fry rockets launched from Russia to the United States. At the same time, radio communication will be disrupted over a huge territory. But no one has calculated all the consequences of using this thing on the ecology of the planet.
The developer of the system, Bernard Estlund himself, admits that with the help of HAARP it is possible to change the wind rose, to influence the weather. Experts believe that unpredictable reactions of the planet's magnetic field are possible up to the change of magnetic poles. Droughts and floods, failures and accidents in power grids of entire regions, the simultaneous eruption of dozens of volcanoes around the world … This will be stronger than an atomic bomb. With the help of HAARP, the States will be able to bring the economy of an entire state to its knees in a few years, and no one will understand anything!
- Something I feel uneasy …
- And it will become even worse if we remember that in a month the ABM Treaty will cease to exist, and the States will be able to openly test HAARP! Many Russian military analysts are of the opinion that this particular system in Alaska will become a key component of the US NMD.
How the Kremlin caught UFOs
- And all these horror stories - because the Americans watched the "flying saucers"?
- Undoubtedly! In the USSR, such work began only after the "Petrozavodsk phenomenon" on September 20, 1977, when it was no longer possible to deny the existence of anomalous phenomena. In addition, all the Scandinavian countries bordering the Soviet Union in the north have pelted our Foreign Ministry with notes: What new weapons is the Soviet Union testing?
Therefore, in October of the same year, the Kremlin hosted a historic meeting of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Military-Industrial Commission, chaired by General
B. A. Kiyasova. It was decided to include the study of anomalous phenomena in the state plan for scientific research work on defense topics for 1978.
In the same year, our laboratory for the study of anomalous phenomena was created at the military TsNII-22. I joined it in 1979 as a junior research assistant and became its boss for fifteen years, until in 1991 we were disbanded due to funding problems.
All these years, information from the fleet, border guards, air force, air defense and so on flocked to us. Various specialists worked for us: radio electronics, geophysicists, physicians, astronomers, astrophysicists …
- Have you seen many "plates"?
- I personally have not met any. But over the years, we have received more than two thousand reports of UFO sightings and about a hundred - about the impact on equipment and humans.
- From this place in more detail …
- Well, let's say, our doctors worked out the issues of the impact of UFOs on humans. Here the pilot met a "saucer" in the air. How did he behave? In the Gorky region, a UFO flew over the territory of the unit. When the sentry tried to report this to the chief of the guard, the connection was interrupted. The soldier just dropped his machine gun and ran away.
- The guy became scared, of course. Why was the connection interrupted? Did the "plate" try?
- UFOs do not such tricks. For example, in 1974, over the Povorino airfield, near Borisoglebsk, a motionless black cloud a kilometer and a half in length appeared. It hangs at an altitude of seven kilometers, and on the radars there is a mark: an airplane! A fighter with two pilots was sent to intercept the object. As soon as we entered the cloud, a wild siren sounded in the headphones of the headsets.
The sound power exceeded the pain threshold. At the same time, the inscription "Dangerous Height" was lit and a monstrous turbulence began. The men could barely turn off the power to the car and with great efforts brought the plane out of the cloud. It hung over the airfield for about four hours, and then disappeared.
- Well, miracles! Didn't figure out what it was?
- Not. There are few such unexplained cases, but they do exist, and some could lead to serious consequences for the entire planet. On October 4, 1982, in the area of the city of Belokorovichi on the territory of Ukraine, from 18.30 to 22.00, more than a hundred military observed 7-8 luminous objects gathered in garlands. The military unit was not anyhow, but the 50th missile division of the Strategic Missile Forces. At the same time, all information boards were lit up at the command post. Including the "Start" button …
- Gosha! Could a third world war have begun?
- That's it. It was only because the military asked for confirmation via a backup communication channel that the launch of the nuclear-armed missile did not take place. A high commission from Moscow did not find any reasons for the failure, excluding UFOs.
"Something" plates "have not been flying for a long time …"
- What are the results of the work of your laboratory?
- Well, firstly, at that time we made a map of the anomalous zones of the Soviet Union.
- A lot of them?
- Dozens. The most important are the Ust-Koksinsky District of the Gorno-Altai Autonomous Region, the Zeravshan District, the Borisoglebsk Air Center, the Plesetsk District in the Arkhangelsk Region, and the Dzerzhinsky District of the Nizhny Novgorod Region. Many zones have been found in the Moscow region, especially in the Shatura region.
Second. Together with other institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a unique complex of supersensitive equipment for studying UFOs has been created. It allows you to get a range of any unidentified objects, to estimate their size, density, movement speed …
- By the way, have you ever checked the messages of people who claim that they were taken by "plates", etc.?
- No, we did not work with contactees. We were only interested in official reports from military units with information received by military-technical equipment …
Where did the corpse of the slain alien go ?
- By the way, Comrade Colonel, the ufologists of All Russia are very offended by you.
- Oh, seriously? And what for?
- Well, at least for hiding the terrible secrets of Soviet ufology. Admit it, did you cover the traces of an alien ship wreck in 1978 in Kazakhstan?
- Not me.
- So you don’t deny the very fact of the "plate" falling? Look into the eyes!
- Ha ha! Nobody fell there! Over the years, we have not come across anything that we could hold in our hands and wonder where they did it …
- And they say that in the storage of your laboratory in Mytishchi there is a warehouse of UFO wreckage …
- Nonsense!
- And yet - that there is a super-secret storage facility on Novaya Zemlya, where the bodies of aliens were transported from the "plate" knocked out by a Soviet interceptor. And you were personally responsible for their transportation, and almost dissected them yourself …
- Nonsense.
- So what, then, is a UFO?
- As a military geophysicist who has been dealing with anomalous phenomena for 15 years, I responsibly declare that 80 percent of all UFOs are natural plasma formations. Using a specially developed technique, we compared the state of the Sun and the time of UFO appearance. It was found that under certain conditions, the flow of solar radiation breaks through the protective magnetic field of the Earth and takes on a variety of forms, affecting devices and people. This is how unidentified objects appear.
- What about the twenty percent remaining?
- I am inclined to believe that they have a physical nature not yet known on Earth. At least, it is not yet possible to explain them by ordinary laws of physics.
- For example?
- Here are a couple of incidents with pilots. On June 22, 1977, in the Leningrad region, a training flight was performed on a Tu-16 with a "cone" (this is a target for shooting). At the moment when the pilot began to release the "cone", he noticed a huge sphere of fire in front of him. At the same time there was a clap, the "cone" was cut down, and the aircraft engine stopped. The pilot unsuccessfully tried to start it, but after a few seconds the engine started to work by itself.
On September 14, 1981, in the Mukachevo area, the MiG-23 made a training flight. A sphere of fire also appeared in front of him, and an explosive destruction of the nose of the aircraft occurred. The pilot ejected. These cases have never been explained.
- And yet there are no aliens on Earth?
- Unlikely.
- It's sad. Can you all speak openly?
- Of course not.
- A military secret?
- Yeah.
- F-f-fu … So, not all is lost!