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Interview # 3
Interview No. 3 was based on the materials presented at the conversation with representatives of science and art in mid-December 1983. Most of the questions discussed in the course of the conversation, to one degree or another, repeated the materials of the first two interviews. Because there was no phonogram, so I restored the materials from memory and from notes. In addition, I included in interview # 3 those questions that were previously discussed, but were not included in the texts of interviews # 1 and # 2.
Host: First of all, explain where else were the initial incorrect explanations from the outside [… - the name of the humanoid race was removed], how about the "erased" memory?
A. As stated in the first interview, there was really no wrong explanation. In fact, my personal perception of the events was not quite complete; and when I later found out certain subtleties of what was happening, it did not coincide with my previous versions.
Q. But in that case, to what extent can you be sure of the correctness of the current interpretation of all this?
A. You see, I have always been completely confident in the information that was given to me directly from […]. But until the end of 1984 I was guided only by the memory of my analogue, making my constructions on the basis of this and not having direct contact with […]. Since the end of 1984, I have had constant video contact with representatives […] on Earth, and the information received from them no longer has any interpretation. And why I was not given all the information from the very beginning is explained in the second interview.
Q. How correct is your initial description of physical appearance […]? Is it because they are somewhat unusual for ufologists to observe?
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A. About observations: the fact is that […] are almost never shown to people, and those numerous descriptions of aliens that are given by ufologists refer most of all to "neutralists" and, to some extent, to messengers to and from not the same system. In addition, as I already said in the comments, there are various forms of humanoids, the description I have given refers directly to the inhabitants [… - the name of the planet is removed], as the prevailing civilization in the space from which the memory of my analogue is. Further, by […] I mean representatives of all civilizations that are part of the intergalactic union (even quaguds), and on this Earth - also representatives of intergalactic civilizations of other spaces who work here together with […]. It should be added,that during video contacts with […] since the end of 1982 I saw not only their long-headed winged representatives - actually […] - but also many others.
Q. What can you add about […] present on Earth?
A. Not only on the Earth, but in the solar system and, obviously, in other systems controlled by the cybernetics system. I know for sure that […] has large bases on Mars and Saturn's moon Tatan. There are also stations on Venus and the Moon, as well as several stations on Earth. These bases and stations exist in the most material form, but they are carefully conspired. When I go to video contact with them, and this happens like a "TV" in my head, then I see them quite realistically against the background of the station environment.
Q. You said that […] they cannot return from our space to their own?
Oh yeah. They can only move from one parallel space to another, but the probability of returning to their own space is infinitely small.
Q. How is the exchange of information between spaces?
A. This happens through going into higher dimensions - it is difficult to say more.
Q. What else can you add about the biological differences between naturally evolved humanoids and earthlings - nutrition, reproduction?
A. Apart from the above differences in biological terms, they are the same as the earthlings. So, they eat, in principle, the same foods; but they create them using synthesis at the subatomic level - they have not used natural products for a long time. They have, so to speak, matrixes of the structure of any products, according to which one or another structure can be made.
Q. Speaking of matrices: in your first interview you mentioned that it is impossible to restore the structure of the brain using matrices. But the matrix information of your counterpart has been introduced into you. Explain, what are the mechanisms of the possible and the impossible?
A. In this case, the structure of the brain meant the energy-informational structure of consciousness, which really cannot be copied onto a matrix and then restored in view of some regularities of space-time. However, it is possible to transfer to the matrix the memory of an individual: his sensations, imprinted knowledge, which can then be transferred from the matrix structure to the energy-informational structure of another individual, what was done to me. In the case of transferring memory from analog, this procedure is much easier.
Q. So how does the matrix of any structure differ from the energy-informational structure itself?
A. Now it is very difficult for me to explain, because this requires a very significant introduction; I will only say: the energy-informational structure is a system that generates new information - this is our consciousness. The same thing that is captured on the matrix - only memory, information content. In fact, the matrix is not much different from the book, only fundamentally more perfect.
Q. How do you explain that you still have diaries written in the period between the first meeting of your analogue with […] and when they already took it with them?
A. As I explained in the comments, I had two meetings with me to implement the analog matrix. As a result of the first meeting, my individual characteristics were evidently taken down in detail and it was laid down that I actually met with UFOs and […], for the convenience of my processing. Therefore, in the intervals between meetings, I wrote down this information, especially since it had a fully realized character, and, perhaps, even was a reality.
And, naturally, after the second processing and my return, these diaries were preserved. Moreover, after my second meeting, they performed the function of persuasion: after all, I could take everything that had happened, or rather, recalled for delirium, frustration - and here is the evidence. And then, when this whole story was sufficiently understood by me, under pressure […] the diaries were destroyed, so as not to appear as a superfluous fact, a trace of direct activity […].
B. According to the statistics of ufology, nowhere is it indicated that there are non-humanoid civilizations in the Universe. Why do you think?
A. I did mention that […] are in contact with some non-humanoid civilizations; and the creators of the cybernetics system were non-humanoids. I believe that nowhere in the descriptions of contacts there is no mention of non-humanoids, tk. humanoid civilizations, which is the humanity of the Earth, are only interested in humanoids. The mind of non-humanoids is often significantly different from the humanoid, and contact between them is possible only at very high degrees of development of both sides. And in general, civilizations of similar creatures are usually interested in each other.
Q. How then did it happen that the cybernetic system was created by the civilization of non-humanoid beings, and it parasitizes on humanoids?
A. I have already said that humanoids are distinguished by the presence of a specialized organ of consciousness-thinking. The creators of the cybernetical system did not ask (it) where it should take energy-informational structures from; she, like a tachyon, had much more choice. The Ikibernetic system chose those creatures that were easiest to reach, with a clearly defined structure that most satisfies it. Other factors are possible, of course.
Q. Some scholars who have read the materials of the first two interviews say that you are using the concepts of "vector of time", "light barrier", "tachyon space" incorrectly. What's the matter here?
A. As I have said many times, many of the terms I use are only analogous concepts of my explanations. Especially if you consider that scientists themselves use many terms (information, tachyon space) without their definitions. In general, I introduced such a concept as "vector of time" myself and, naturally, I introduce my own meanings into it. In general, this question may be raised more than once, but I warned that this way of reflecting the truth is inadequate, like any discrete reflection, therefore I try to rely only on analogies.
Q. Could you elaborate on the stages of life […], their society, as well as the life of your counterpart in […] civilization?
A. Unfortunately, for some reason I am not allowed to give this information. Sorry.
Q. In interview # 1, you mentioned that on [… - the name of the planet is removed] your analogue was studying higher unreasonable animals, as well as the prerequisites for the emergence of intelligence in humanoids. Can we conclude from this that man descended from a monkey?
A. Man is not a man. But humanoids, as intelligent beings, arise from forms of animals like monkeys. On the other hand, the earthly man was influenced in many ways by God - a kybernetical system.
Q. But in natural evolution, the humanoid, then, comes directly from the ape?
A. Directly - yes. However, the evolution of life should be viewed differently from the way it is now viewed by earthly science. It has already been noticed, but Darwin's theory is correct only within the species. New species are formed in a fundamentally different way. The essence of the mechanism of speciation is many [the original word is replaced]; a species is a state of life at a certain stage. But I don’t mean to say that if speciation occurs in many dimensions, then it happens as Lamarck and his followers described it. No, many things need to be considered more deeply. And regarding the emergence of man, I can note the following: think about the fact that since the appearance of intelligent beings on the planet, new species of animals are no longer formed.
Q. But still, explain more about the hierarchy: since there is one thing, and then another, it means that one arises from the other, it is already higher in development. Since there is an atom, then there is a molecule, then these are stages, and since there are stages, then there is also a hierarchy. Each step has different, more perfect properties
A. Sorry, but here you are confusing gradually the development and the allocation of phases in development at different times, then different-scale parts of spatial structures. And, finally, where did you get the idea that if one arose from the other, then its properties can be called more perfect? You can, of course, single out, differentiate anything from anything - but in this comparison, you abstract the parts, separate them from the surrounding causal environment. Indeed, if something exists in equilibrium with the environment, it is most perfect for these conditions; if something develops naturally, it means that it develops for some purpose, which should constitute the most balanced state. If something is destroyed, it means, again, for the same purpose. And any parts of a large system change so as to make up the normal homeostasis of this system,ensuring its functioning in the outside world to support the activities of the internal parts. There is no hierarchy - each quantity not only cannot be distinguished in reality, but each part most perfectly fulfills its functions. It cannot be said that the minister is taller than the shoemaker, since a minister is just as unable to perform the socially necessary functions of a shoemaker as a shoemaker is a minister. All subordination - hierarchy in the common sense means exactly this - is completely introduced into the thinking of people by the cybernetic system, in order to ensure the dominant role of the "creator" and " perfection ".but each part fulfills its functions most perfectly. It cannot be said that the minister is taller than the shoemaker, since a minister is just as unable to perform the socially necessary functions of a shoemaker as a shoemaker is a minister. All subordination - hierarchy in the common sense means exactly this - is completely introduced into the thinking of people by the cybernetic system, in order to ensure the dominant role of the "creator" and " perfection ".but each part fulfills its functions most perfectly. It cannot be said that the minister is taller than the shoemaker, since a minister is just as unable to perform the socially necessary functions of a shoemaker as a shoemaker is a minister. All subordination - hierarchy in the common sense means exactly this - is completely introduced into the thinking of people by the cybernetic system, in order to ensure the dominant role of the "creator" and " perfection ".
Q. But there is still a hierarchy of development. For example, for reason - a spiritual and moral criterion. Here I am now, let's say, not at a very high stage of this development. If you take and entrust me with a task that I do not yet have the right to carry out, I will break such wood there! But now you are in such a development one step higher. You have come to this gradually, a lot, but you have reached a certain level. And you are already above me. This step, albeit conditional. But it is not conditional that you can solve a certain problem and I cannot. This task is a step, because some business is concrete, i.e. discrete
A. The point is precisely that you are abstracting again, i.e. detach from reality. After all, the prerequisites for my "high" function are some functions, the results of which, though less obvious, are no less necessary; but you can also do these functions. A concrete, as you say, business is a small part of an integral general function, a drop that overflows the cup; and such a common connection can be found in what seems to be an independent meaningful act. And, above all, you are now taking as an example the current situation on Earth, which in many respects falls out of the general laws. In natural civilization, there are no such pronounced functional differences between individuals. So, in principle, each person is functionally replaceable, but at the same time, irreplaceable as a person, an individual who finds his sides in activity,causing the creation of a new one. In general, the function is performed in the most perfect way.
Q. So, in spite of such a high creative activity, can one equally replace one genius with another?
A. It is not at all equivalent: after replacing Pushkin with Shakespeare, you will not get the same poem "Eugene Onegin", although "Hamlet" will satisfy the literary problem.
Q. By the way, about high development. You say that naturally evolved humanoids do not have paranormal abilities - but the ability to control the body and energy speaks of a high achieved spiritual level. Let them be able to telepath or levitate with the help of devices, but after all, controlling their bodies, self-healing, regulation of the emotional and creative state - these should just be the qualities of a highly developed personality
A. What you say is again a purely earthly point of view. You are trying to liken a completely human to a self-regulating robot: I wanted to work, I wanted to - I went into euphoria, I have to - my stomach works, I have to - I don’t breathe for five minutes. A really high personality is always very deeply connected with the outside world - remember the greatest people of creativity on Earth; she does not have the need for internal protection - this is generally an earthly situation. And only earthlings need to heal themselves; […] Don't get sick anyway.
Q. In this case, could you explain the benefits and harms of the para-abilities of earthlings, as creatures of a cybernetic system
A. So, where do para-abilities lead in the form in which they are conceived for a person. First of all, that psychic who develops his capabilities, not knowing about the existence of a cybernetic system, and refers to para-abilities as to something natural, he sooner or later, it is doomed to control the cybernetic system. He will not fall under this control only if he is a convinced materialist, he never touches esoteric works and information channels of para-abilities. But this is almost impossible. One way or another, there is a control of "essence", "biofield of the Earth", "astral information" - call it what you want, but this obviously leads to conscious or extraconscious submission to the stem e. Moreover,if all people mastered telepathy on a discrete basis through the transmission of words and symbols, then there would be a practical unification of people into a single brain, in which the cybernetic system took would be the role of a central informant and coordinator.
Q. Yes, you said in the first interview that with such a telepathic unification, the creativity of individuals is lost. But, you must agree that at this stage of development of earthlings, such a connection would raise the mental level of people, they would gradually use the cybernetic system, and everything would come to a natural state
A. No matter how it is! You have just described exactly the option that the cybernetical system “offers” as a mutual agreement. You greatly underestimate her cunning. She will connect something, but the information will be discrete and under control. And I said that people need to master a lot of telepathy and information selection. The multidimensional information of the cybernetical system is included only in the energy-information system of its superbrain (see the 8th commentary of interview No. 1), which consists of souls not participating in reincarnation. And the computer system itself cannot control any large amount of information. And the development of telepathic abilities of people should take place according to the principle of "Occam's razor":on the one hand, the transmission of many great thoughts and teaching such thinking, on the other hand, the disobedience of inertia, so as not to form a unified thinking and not to lose the creative essence of each individual. And at the same time - do not connect to an unconnected system, which will try to stick in some discrete lead and take over a person. So, paranormal abilities are a very twofold phenomenon.
Q. Tell me, why are the sessions of contacts with the cybernetic system using a pendulum dangerous?
A. Contact with a pendulum can also be done in different ways. If you use the pendulum as a biolocator, it does not affect anything; answers to minor questions also do not affect anything. But if you start to recognize any information that is significant for you with the pendulum, then it begins to act. Completely imperceptibly - this can be traced only in each specific case - the cybernetic system conducts the tactic of "lassoing" the operator of such information, and soon the contactee, himself completely without noticing, it falls under its control, after which it is introduced directly into consciousness, and the person becomes its "robot". Unfortunately, I know of more than one such case. By the way, an interesting way of subordinating people who know about a kybernetical system. Initially, communication sessions take place on minor issues, positions of "non-interference" are established. Then the cybernetical system expresses its "divine" views on the life of people, most of all focusing on morality and ethics, as a rule. Explains that all the evil she does is against evil people; that people arose under her, God, influence; that the bad is needed to reveal the good, otherwise there will be chaos. He says that nothing happens without reason, God is the engine of progress. Then, when the contactee is screwed up, she (God) becomes the only force capable of leading people to the purification of morality and knowledge of the universe "," if the wicked knows - no one needs such knowledge "- and passes off all his opponents as wicked and atheists. She develops ideas of self-sacrifice: “to live only for good people,to punish the bad.
Egoists are bad, black. They have negative karma, they need to be destroyed. " After that, the cybernetic system renounces its existence, saying that it is the “voices of the biofield,” friendly civilizations following the path of karmic perfection. It is presented as an abstract engine of evolution and the Absolute, a purifier of "information going to the Absolute." Then: "Connect to the biofield of the Earth, draw information from it, destroy your personality, it will be base." And a person who has fallen under such power completely loses control, his energy-informational structure changes. So, for example, something similar to what I described happened with T., who is currently trying to cleanse the "biofield of the Earth", moreover, he created a whole sect, and they are connected to the "information system of the planet", as a result of which T.has constant energy contact with such people, which is colloquially called "energy vampire". I tell them for a reason - it is necessary that people know all aspects of these phenomena and make their own choice of their improvement.
Q. We are still interested in the following question: what are the sources of the "streams" of multidimensional information? Also, explain how […] themselves transmit such information, and how is such transmission different from discrete?
A. As I have already mentioned - perhaps, it is true, not clearly enough - the "streams" of a lot of information - this is natural thinking. If, in the case of abstract-logical thinking, a person practically concretizes each concept from which a chain of conclusions is built, then multi-dimensional thinking can approximately be compared with a complex of associations. In principle, there are no concepts in it: it is somewhat reminiscent of an intuitive sensation, but repeatedly raised to a degree. This is, so to speak, the instant finding of a large number of connections and relationships from the countless number of causal phenomena surrounding us. All these phenomena are perceived in one way or another by our systems, but often even impossible for comprehension - and all this is subjected to multiple operations in our mental structure.
So, the source of the many-dimensional “flow” is ourselves in the causal system of space. The transfer of multidimensional information, as I also said, is either produced by the transfer of material informative-associative structures (pictures, music, literature, simply informative-carrying images), or by the transfer of states and complexes of sensations. Those. we can say that this is a transmission of multi-causal carrier systems, which are not, for example, discrete symbols, words, deterministic texts, formulas, i.e. systems carrying one cause, or rigidly deterministic relationships of causes.
Q. Half a year has passed since the first interview. In conclusion, could you say what the tasks are now, what are the opportunities, has anything changed during this time and in what direction?
A. This question is very difficult. I gave a small assessment of the work being done already in the second interview. The main purpose of the activity […], as before, is to observe the processes of the development of creative thinking taking place among earthlings, since the cybernetical system has sharply intensified its activity aimed at the longest possible survival.
As I personally learned from her, the system's program does not allow her to make concessions in this direction; calculating the maximum number of probabilities every moment. A cybernetical system acts in the probabilities that best ensure its goal, therefore, the way to counter it is to create unpredictable probabilities by introducing new unexpected causes into this system. Such causes can either come from the outside, or be created as a result of many dimensional thinking. So, for example, my goal is to activate the possibilities of people’s multidimensional thinking - both directly by disseminating such information, and by drawing people's attention to uncontrolled and non-controlled with a system, phenomena that have escaped her attention in their environment. […] +
Moscow, February 29, 1984 UFO: Why Aliens Control Earth?
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