"Where Is The City From?" Chapter 18. Who Are You, Builders, Or Why Are There So Many Inconsistencies Among Historians? - Alternative View

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"Where Is The City From?" Chapter 18. Who Are You, Builders, Or Why Are There So Many Inconsistencies Among Historians? - Alternative View
"Where Is The City From?" Chapter 18. Who Are You, Builders, Or Why Are There So Many Inconsistencies Among Historians? - Alternative View
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Chapter 1. Old maps of St. Petersburg

Chapter 2. Ancient tale in the north of Europe

Chapter 3. Unity and monotony of monumental structures scattered around the world

Chapter 4. Capitol without a column … well, no way, why?

Chapter 5. One project, one architect or cargo cult?

Chapter 6. Bronze Horseman, who are you really?

Chapter 7. Thunder stone or submarine in the steppes of Ukraine?

Chapter 8. Falsification of most of the monuments of St. Petersburg

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Chapter 9. Peter the First - an ambiguous personality in the history of the whole Europe

Chapter 10. For what to say thank you, Tsar Peter?

Chapter 10-1. This "happy" tsarist era or the House of Holstein in Russia

Chapter 10-2. Why was the chain mail and cuirass replaced with stockings and a wig?

Chapter 11. Ladoga Canals - witnesses of a grandiose construction

Chapter 12. What did you really want to say, Alexander Sergeevich?

Chapter 13. Alexander Column - we see only what we see

Chapter 14. Alexander I. The Secret of Life and the Secret of Death

Chapter 15. Masonic symbolism of St. Petersburg

Chapter 16. Antediluvian city, or why the first floors in the earth?

Chapter 17. Axonometric plan of St. Petersburg - a witness of the great flood

Chapter 17-1. Flood witnesses. Antiquity in paintings and drawings

In terms of borrowing, not only statues and monuments are interesting, but also some elements of building structures, consider the building at number 35 on Bolshaya Morskaya.

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A huge granite portal instead of a doorway seems alien here, it would have come closer to the steps and columns of St. Isaac's Cathedral, there it would have looked more harmonious, but they added it here. Either they stole it on time, or there was no place for him in the restructuring project of Isaac. But the doors in the same building, which fit logically, technologically and conveniently.

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A wonderful article with a huge amount of photos from the author mylnikovdm: "Lost building technologies of St. Petersburg".

Consider the inconsistencies in the dates of Isaac's construction.

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View of St. Isaac's Square from the Senate. 1820

There is a cathedral! How WORTH it !!!

And here's a simple newspaper clipping:

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Take a closer look at the date - 1817

The official version says: The first column was installed on March 20, 1828.

And the phrase “Completed in 1802 is surprising, isn't it? Or was there a cathedral?

A couple more pictures for completeness, so to speak, falsification of history.

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The inscription reads: Solemn return of the St. Petersburg militia to St. Isaac's Square. Sketch engraving hand-painted in watercolor. 1815 Engraver I. A. Ivanov. What does this cathedral look like? … and who should we believe?

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Unknown artist:

View of the Admiralty, the old St. Isaac's Cathedral, the English Embankment and the building of the Academy of Sciences on Vasilievsky Island, 1825.

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So how is this to be understood? In 1768 there was a cathedral, and in 1825 there was a church in its place, how can one believe that later this cathedral was built this one.

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The third St. Isaac's Cathedral, completed by V. Brenna. Lithograph 1810-1830

With dates, a complete fuck. Either the artists are lying without saying a word, or the historians are not saying something?

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View of St. Isaac's Cathedral under construction in 1838. Lithograph with tone. F. Benois, after the original by O. Montferrand.

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View of St. Isaac's Cathedral in the woods. Colored lithograph from O. Montferan's album, 1840

(four side towers are not in sight).

And here are drawings from life by Andre Durand (from the album Traveling in Russia).

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View from the Neva to St. Isaac's Cathedral 1837-1839.

Durant has a cathedral, but Montferrand is just under construction.

And this despite the fact that the album with drawings was already published in Paris in 1839, which means that the drawings were made earlier. Here are the data from the “official” historians: Andre Durand's album “Voyage pittoresque et archeologique en Russie”, published in Paris in 1839, defined the face of Russia for the Western public for a long time.

Here is another official document testifying to the reconstruction of the existing temple.

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Explanatory note to the plan of St. Isaac's Cathedral. - March 12, 1825.

It is also important that in his notes Vigel characterized Montferrand only as a good draftsman, but not as an architect …

This drawing seemed very strange to me,

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not the date on it, but the view of Issaac, its height. I don’t think that the artist’s imagination would be so carried away, something will not grow together here.

There is a version that the columns of St. Isaac's Cathedral are assembled from fragments, but until you saw it, you will not understand. Montferand knew nothing about it.

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If you play with contrast in Photoshop, you can see the color drops of the stone.

Here too … (only this topic is for a separate article).

Here are some photos of the patches on the columns, draw your own conclusions.

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A patch in a granite block.

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A patch on the column itself.

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Chipped on the column, inside it looks more like cement, interesting, right?

But Montferand knew nothing about it.

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A crack in the base of several columns of the Kazan Cathedral, what is it?

Here is another masterpiece of stone-cutting art.

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Column in St. Isaac's Cathedral.

This kind of joining, gluing, and polishing of granite by hand, I consider it to be jewelry and in our time machine processing of stone, and then all the bearded men did by eye. The photo was sent by a history buff under the pseudonym Otets Sergiy.

It is also strange that official historians in every possible way avoid talking about another significant monument - the obelisk at the Kazan Cathedral.

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Kazan Cathedral from the side of Kazanskaya street, 1810

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Painting by Fyodor Alekseev 1810

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Obelisk in front of the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg (painting by Fyodor Alekseev 1810)

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Perhaps the official version of the purpose of the obelisks has not been agreed yet? And demolition, of course. Historians are still debating what their function is. And with age, they also have not decided.

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Another discrepancy is surprising - the cultural layer.

Now the building of St. Isaac's Cathedral has 3 steps. We are looking at the layout of the installation of columns, located in the church itself - 9 steps! 6 went underground! 1.5 meters!

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But buildings sink into the ground not because they sink under their own weight, but because the cultural layer is growing.

Excavations of the cultural layer on Palace Square gave a very interesting result:

the lower layer is the lower pavement, then 1.5 meters of the cultural layer in the form of ordinary soil, the upper layer is the upper pavement, then modern crushed stone and asphalt.

Where did the 1.5 meter layer of soil come from on Palace Square? It turns out that as a result of some catastrophe, the whole city was covered with mud, possibly a flood. Or maybe the cultural layer grew on its own, in a natural way, but then more than one hundred years had to pass and Peter would have to remain deserted, since otherwise the janitors from Palace Square would certainly have removed the accumulated dirt.

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This is a 2002 photo. made at the north-western corner of the Palace Square. The red arrow marks the black stripe, which was declared on TV as the day surface of the times of Catherine. But what about the Winter Palace? After all, based on Rastrelli's project, he practically did not submerge … From the blue arrow upward, the asphalt layer begins. A layered structure of sand is visible between the arrows. It cannot be recognized as a stratification of the cultural layer, starting from the 18th century, since we will have to talk about the strange layer-by-layer uniformity of the color of the allegedly brought dirt or dust, as well as again about the immersion of the Winter Palace, which is not in the drawings.

The explanation for all this may be the catastrophe that plunged the ancient Winter Palace into the sand. Layering indicates a series of minor catastrophes or floods.

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In this 2002 photo, two pavements are clearly visible, one of which is covered with asphalt, and the other (lower) is covered with stratified sand. It seems absurd to dive to a depth of more than half a meter of stone pavements (I mean the economic inexpediency of allowing the stones of the pavement to disappear so easily into the ground, without taking advantage of the opportunity to simply shift this pavement).

Here are drawings of the construction of the cathedral, entertaining pictures I will tell you, see the link, click HERE.

No less mysterious is the recently found foundation of a colossal structure, hidden under a four-meter layer of earth.

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Photos are taken from here, here in more detail: "Peter's Skyscrapers".

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In the spring, under the great pressure of water in St. Petersburg, the embankment of the Griboyedov Canal was washed, and such patterns appeared at house No. 158.

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All my life (and I am 58 years old) I have lived in Leningrad-Petersburg near the Peter and Paul Fortress and spent a considerable time in it. Serf observations, as well as some other city facts, constantly haunted and caused a vague sense of understatement. Well, for example, you enter the Winter Palace into the basement (wardrobe), into the Kunstkamera - into the basement, the same goes to the Artillery Museum, the Naval (stock exchange), and the Zoological (to the left of the stock exchange), and the Institute of Chemistry silicates (to the right of the exchange), and many other buildings in the center. Everywhere is abnormal - the visitor enters through the doors, descends and enters the basement. Who builds like this?

Then, in the 70s, they dug up the Menshikov Palace on the University embankment (and later the philological faculty), and the guides immediately began to explain that in more than two centuries the building had sunk into the ground. It's funny both from the point of view of engineering geology and from the point of view of construction - a kilometer-long building plunges into the ground evenly (?!?).

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On the occasion of the “three hundredth anniversary” of the city, they dug up the Engineering Castle (the palace of Paul 1), while explaining the two meters of the dug-in building by the existence of a moat with water, which was filled up - by whom, when and why no one says.

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Although, judging by the drawings of the early 19th century, since that time it has not sagged a single centimeter.

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But the most interesting thing is in the Peter and Paul Fortress.

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The Petrovskaya curtain from the outside - from the Menshikov bastion to the Tsar's bastion with the Petrovsky gates in the middle - has grown into the ground by about one and a half meters,

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so that the entrance to the casemate inside the Tsar's bastion was covered with earth. They explain to us that between Curtina and the Ravelin there was a moat with water, which was subsequently filled up (as in the case of the Engineering Castle). But the Petrovskaya curtain has grown into the ground by one and a half to two meters and from the inside, on the territory of the Fortress itself, where there has never been water!

Grown into the ground and the Nevsky Gate, designed to travel to the Nevsky prospect

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The official version is here

and even the Commandant's cemetery!

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The excavated foundation on the outside of the Zotov Bastion

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demonstrates traces of restoration - an attempt to create a second foundation above the main one. So what happens? Either a piece of land called Hare Island retained its level, and all the fortress buildings (together with the Commandant's cemetery) evenly plunged into the ground (in 200 years !!), or the territory of the Fortress was covered with a layer of sand and silt 1.5-2 meters high.

But in this case, if there is no evidence of such an event in the Post-Petrine era, then the Fortress was filled up before Peter 1 and its age is much older than the one that is presented to us.

And finally. In 2009, excavations were carried out on the outside of the Menshikov bastion (from the side of Kronverk) (why and why no one explained). They wrote and talked a lot about the remains of people found during the excavations, which were attributed to the executions of 1917. Personally, I doubt that the Revolutionary Sailors dug a grave almost two meters deep for the shot, but now I want to say something else.

During the excavations, artifacts were found piled up at the entrance to the Menshikov bastion.

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Subsequently, these artifacts disappeared without a trace from the territory of the Fortress, but I managed to photograph them. This is a granite bathtub (what was she doing in the Fortress?)

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and a row of marble fragments, among which there is a sculpture - two stylized men holding either a cross or a club.

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For the Fortress, such finds are a clear dissonance, but that's not what I mean. What is easier to admit - that these artifacts slowly over the centuries plunged into the "cultural" layer and no one paid attention to them, or that a granite bath and so on were instantly swept by some kind of mudflow?

That's basically it. It remains to add that I will ask you to post this material (meaning photographs) on your site - it seems to me that it will be a good addition to your story.

There are two photographs, the first is the steps of a pyramid in Mexico, covered with sand, later excavated by archaeologists.

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… and the steps in the Peter and Paul Fortress

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The depth is approximately the same, the same way of laying and … much the same. Draw your own conclusions. Most importantly, the sandy sediment is the same.

Respectfully yours, the person who remained incognito.

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I received a couple more photos of the Nevsky Curtain by mail. It connects Menshikov and Gosudarev bastions. Previously, people used to walk here, perhaps there were carts or horse riders, but no one remembers this, everyone only remembers this:

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Perhaps these arches used to look like this

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or so

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… but we have what we have.

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Here is the opinion of a native of St. Petersburg, a geologist, historian, professor, academician and a person very respected by me:

… the facts are that our city was covered with a sandy-clay mixture (river alluvium?), And if there is no indication of such an event after 1703, then the event happened earlier. I will not say when and for what reason (let others fantasize - Kadykchansky, Lorenz and …), but you cannot confuse a sandy-clay mixture with a “cultural layer”.

But this is Menshikov's Palace, compare the level of the street with the level of the excavated building.

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Taking into account the basement, the real foundation of this building is located at a depth of three meters, and what is the funniest thing is that it is laid out of perfectly polished multi-ton granite slabs intended for external decorative finishing of the building, such as these.

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I am publishing a few more letters from the residents of St. Petersburg (without edits, as it is).

1st letter

"I am in awe of reading the blog about the mysteries of history and about" where is the city from? "In particular. I myself am from St. Petersburg. My name is Antoine. Very nice. I want to add a couple of things about Peter. In the topic about antediluvian Petersburg, I don't know the ancient name of St. Petersburg, I want to throw you a couple of ideas.

I think that the bridges across the Neva and all the local rivers were already there before this very Peter's flood.

There were already stone arched bridges on the Bolshaya Neva. Okhtinsky, Liteiny, Isaakievsky, etc.

On the sides Ioanovsky, Tuchkov, Birzhevoy …

Some bridges still have stone-arched spans on their sides after numerous raskurochivanie and alterations. Ioanovsky, Ushakov, Trotsky …

From the old Okhtinsky, observation towers went into action.

But the Gorstkin bridge on the Fontanka is a dull remake in its purest form, for comparison.

There was also such an interesting bridge over Tarakanovka. His location has not been identified. There is only one photograph in the internet. I think that is what Peter looked like before the newest "development".

Another topic is the Alexander Column. I think it is assembled from several blocks. Such thoughts suggest themselves if you look at the Baalbek columns. There are probably three blocks. The blocks themselves, I think, in turn, are assembled from smaller pancakes. All this is covered from the outside with "granite concrete". A couple of finishing coats.

Do you, by any chance, have a radio-controlled helicopter with a good camera? It would be good to fly around the column and take pictures of it in order to find such pieces.

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Or see the seams.

One more note. Your blog does not mention, or I read inattentively, the fact that St. Isaac's Bridge forms a single whole with St. Isaac's Cathedral. And that it is oriented towards the ancient north-south pole. After all, not everyone knows about it.

About the antediluvian poles, you have not written that there are at least two of them. Isaac, Amphitheator of Pompeii, Teotihuacan … one option. The other is Baalbek, the Acropolis of Athens and the Roman Capitol …

Thanks for reading. I think you and Leo the Thin are the most advanced in this topic. Good luck and all the most).

2nd letter

“I live in St. Petersburg, I was previously engaged in the repair of semi-basements (for offices, shops, etc.), before I could not understand why in the historical part of the city the windows of the semi-basements initially had the same dimensions (height) as on the floors above, over time they were laid with bricks … Old construction specialists explained that the windows were in stone or brick wells for better illumination of the basement rooms, but over time, with the advent of electricity, the need for this disappeared and the window openings were bricked up and filled up to ground level. I always had a question for them about waterproofing or simply drainage of water from this well, they just shrugged their shoulders. There are houses with such wells in the city, but even with the presence of a concrete blind area, waterproofing, asphalt pavement, there is a constant flood of premises (in winter it is covered with snow to the top). But what is interesting is that during the excavation work in front of the walled up windows in the old buildings, neither wells nor the remains of them were found."

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If you believe the history, in the 18th -19th centuries, so many stone mysteries appeared that you can take off your hat and stand for hours with your eyes wide open.

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Continued: Chapter 19. A few words about floods

Author: ZigZag

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