He was Canada's defense secretary in the 1960s, dominating the country's military during the Cold War - and when he stepped down, he publicly stated that we are not alone in the universe and some guests from outer space actually live here. On the Earth.
Is this fantasy? Is someone actually looking at us? Today we are talking with a man who says UFOs are serious business - Paul Hellyer.
Sophie Shevardnadze: Today we have a very famous person visiting us, Paul Hellayer, a former defense minister of Canada, and he believes that space life forms are present on Earth. It's great that you are on our show. Why do you say that UFOs are as real as planes flying over our heads?
Paul Hellyer: Because I know they are. In fact, they have been visiting our planet for thousands of years, and here is one of the occasions to interest you, most if you give me two or three minutes to answer that. It happened during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in the formed group that flew south from Russia to Europe, and the Allied Command was very worried and almost ready to press the Panic button, but they turned around and went back through North Pole. They decided to conduct an investigation and it took place over 3 years.
And they decided, and were absolutely certain, that four kinds of aliens - at least - had been visiting this planet for thousands of years. We have a long history of UFOs and, of course, there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very concerned that we might use nuclear weapons again and because the Cosmos is unity. And this affects not only us, but also other humanoids in Space. They are very much afraid that we may be so stupid that we will again use atomic weapons, and this would be very bad for us, and for them as well.
SS: No serious scientist has ever publicly confirmed evidence of an alien encounter - why don't scientists confirm facts if they exist?
PH:I am afraid that they must change enough to accept reality. If they do even 10 percent of the research I have done in the last 8 years, they will be as convinced as I am. I mean, they can do it even faster. But maybe they will need a little more time, since they did not have a military background (like me), but there are so many great books that tell all these stories and they can authenticate. These sightings were verified by more than one witness, as well as by radar, and the aliens landed at various locations around the world, including Russia. There was a very famous case, I can't remember the name of the place, but the episode was widely covered at the time. A man wrote a book about it and then the French bought the publishing rights,therefore the information was not disseminated worldwide …
There's just a lot of evidence. If someone takes a vacation to do a little research and research, that will be enough. Some people are interested and will take the time, while others will just say, "Oh, you know, this is fantastic." Since I am known to the public on this matter, I probably get three or four letters a week from anywhere in the world, from people who actually witnessed the observation. And some of them were actually taken on ships, and some of them, in fact, were transported to another planet. This information … is top secret. Everything is arranged so that governments do not talk about it. But if you listen to the informers and people who have worked in the industry and who knows what's really going on, you'll be surprised at how much information there is. And it doesn't take long to get familiar with it.
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SS: Look, there is a certain problem. Some of those who report seeing UFOs and being abducted by aliens have been shown to do so in order to become famous, to make money - or just as a joke. How can we separate fiction from fact?
PH:You have to spend a lot of time trying to establish the truth … we use the expression "to separate the wheat from the chaff" and it takes a lot of effort. When I was minister, I monitored communications. And when we checked them, about 80 percent, 8 out of 10, weren't real, they were sightings of Venus or plasma formations or a dozen other things, but there were 15 percent or 20 percent that had no explanation, and they were genuine Unidentified Flying Objects. At one of the conferences I attended … it was in Las Vegas … there was a talk from a guy who wrote a book about accidents. And there have been dozens and dozens of cases, and many of them are very - very well documented, so it would be impossible to look at this evidence and not come to the conclusion that the accidents of these vehicles are real.
SS: Have you ever had your own encounter with aliens?
PH: No, I have not encountered aliens. I saw a UFO about 120 miles north of Toronto, on Lake Muskoka, where I own a cottage. Two years ago, on Thanksgiving, which is celebrated in October … [my wife?] She said she wanted to go out into the yard and look at the stars, so … I'm not a big fan of nightlife … but I put on my hat and went out with it. She looked up to the eastern sky and said, "There is a star," and I turned the other way and said, "Oh, there is something much brighter here than a star," and she looked over there and we looked at the UFOs until our necks almost "did not break".
This lasted about 20 minutes. And it was definitely a UFO, as it could change its position in the sky by three to four degrees in three or four seconds. I checked - there weren't any satellites that could do this, it wasn't a space station either. And she can't move that fast anyway. And there was no other explanation other than that it was a real UFO. Two days later, I sat in a comfortable chair in the dark and watched. It returned to almost the same place and entertained me for as long as I could bear the sight. Then I returned to the dacha, but it was very interesting, because it was fast falls in the sky, and then returns to the starting point. It moved a few degrees and made a circle and returned at astronomical speed. As you know, they probably travel very, very fast.
SS: So it looked like a shooting star that falls very quickly and then rises again? What does it look like?
PH: Well it looked just like the stars.
CC: Did it look just like a star?
PH: I don't know if you've personally ever read the Bible or not, but I think the Star of Bethlehem was one of "God's" flying saucers.
CC: You also told me that people write you emails, 3-4 emails a week, and they were actually abducted or had encounters with aliens. Did they tell you who these aliens really look like? I mean, all this is interesting - how do I know if I'm seeing an alien and if he's kidnapping me?
PH: The first question you should ask is how many species are there? I used to think that there are from two to twelve kinds. Apolo mission astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who came to Toronto a few years ago and we had dinner with him, agreed that there were between two and twelve varieties. But recent messages that I received from various sources say that there are about 80 different species and some of them look like us, and they could be walking down the street, and you will not recognize them if you walk by one of the specimens. These are what we call "Nordic blondes" - "Northern Blondes" as well as the "Tall Whites" who are currently working with the US Air Force in Nevada.
They are able to get out of there. And they had a few women dressed as nuns who went out to Las Vegas to shop, and they weren't found by anyone. I have a friend who saw one of the men walking down the street. He is the one who can find out. They were different and he fixed it. Then there are the Short Grays, as they are called, and these are the ones you see in most cartoons. They have very - very thin arms and legs, they are very short, just over 5 feet, and they have a great big head and big-big brown eyes. But, there are different types, and you should know that since they are different types, they know that they are all different. If you see Short Gray you will surely understand, because you have never seen anything like it before. But if you see one of the “Nordics”, you’ll probably say, “Oh, I wonder if he’s probably from Denmark or somewhere else.”
(To be continued)
Interview for the English-language version of the TV channel RT (Russia Today)
