- Part 2 -
The great Zulu shaman and elder CREDO MUTVA - about abductions, reptilians and aliens in Africa. Rick Martin's Rare and Amazing Conversation with Credo Mutwa
It is often said that the Elders of any indigenous tribe hold the keys to knowledge. This has not been confirmed more clearly than in a recent interview, which I had the great honor of conducting with the Zulu “Sanuzi” (shaman) Credo Mutwa, who is about eighty years old.
Through the efforts and assistance of David Icke, I was able to establish contact with Dr. Johan Jubert, who kindly coordinated with Credo Mutwa, thus allowing the interview to take place by telephone, literally half the world away, in South Africa. We at SPECTRA would like to convey our deepest appreciation to both David Icke and Dr. Joubert for their selfless efforts to show the Truth of this person to the world.
I first heard about Credo Mutwa five years ago, but then it was not possible to speak to him on the phone, as he lives in a somewhat remote area. When I got word from David Icke that he had spent time with Credo Mutwa and that he wanted to talk to SPECTRUM, well, that was the answer.
Through the miracle of international phone lines, on August 13th we had what turned out to be a 4 hour session! And no, we're not going to trim it down to the size of a "sound beat." His words will appear in full and in their original context, this is our usual policy - respectful attitude towards the speaker as well as just good, honest journalism!
Mutwa Credo is a man whom David Icke describes as: "One of the most amazing and knowledgeable people I have the honor and opportunity to call a friend, a genius." After talking with Credo Mutwa, I completely agree with this.
I would like to comment that Credo Mutwa, not being a person of formal education, was kind enough and conscientious enough to write down all Zulu or African words, proper names, etc. for this article. Those of you who may be African scientists will find that this level of accuracy is more useful to your research than the average reader, but this concern taken by the Creed is another aspect of its honesty and accuracy.
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If you feel like you've read some material lately that expands your thinking and challenges some belief systems, then this interview will take you one step further outward. As always, the truth is stranger than fiction. Also, truth - or pieces of truth shown to any of us - are part of a larger puzzle, and thus it is each of us's choice to reach our own conclusions about Truth than others share with us.
We have the honor and opportunity to present the events and knowledge of Credo Mutwa to you. This is a rare and very valuable opportunity.
The amazing information presented by Credo Mutwa is certainly thought of as challenging and far-reaching in all meanings and possibilities. When you read this information, you will more readily understand why there were attempts to silence him. Likewise, you will more deeply appreciate the courage of the Creed to come and speak the truth, regardless of the consequences for it.
So, without further introductory comments, let me begin the interview.
Martin: First of all, let me say that it is an honor and a privilege to speak with you, and I would like to thank David Icke and Dr. Jubert, without whose help we would not have this conversation today.
Our readers are aware of the existence of shape-shifting reptilian aliens, and what I would like to discuss with you concerns the specifics of their presence, their leadership, their agenda, and their methods of operation at this time.
So, the first question I would like to ask you is: can you confirm that shape-shifting reptilian aliens do, in fact, exist on our planet at this time? And yes, if you can confirm this, please be specific about them. Where did they come from?
Credo Mutwa: Sir, can your newspaper send a person to Africa?
Martin: Excuse me, can I repeat it?
Credo Mutwa: Can your newspaper freely send someone to Africa in the near future?
Martin: For financial reasons, we cannot do it now, but it may change in the future.
Credo Mutwa: Because there are some things here that your newspaper can check independently of me. Have you heard of a country called Rwanda in Central Africa?
Martin: Yes.
Credo Mutwa: The people of Rwanda, the Hutu, as well as the people of Watusi, claim, and they are not the only peoples of Africa who claim this, that their ancient ancestors were a race of beings whom they called Imanyuela, which means "Lords who come." And some tribes in West Africa, like the Bambara people, also say similar things.
They say they came from heaven, many, many generations ago, a race of highly evolved and formidable beings who looked like humans, but they call them Zishwezi. This word means "descending" or "gliding" - creatures that can slide down from the sky or slide in water.
Everyone, sir, has heard of the Dogons in West Africa, who all say they got their culture from normal creatures, but they are not Dogons, but ONE of many, many people in Africa who claim that their tribe, or their king, was the first to be found a supernatural race of beings who came from heaven. Are you still with me, sir?
Martin: Oh yes, of course.
Credo Mutwa: Sir, I can go on and on, but let me tell you about my people, the Zulu from South Africa.
Martin: Please
Credo Mutwa: People of Zulu, who are known as a people of warriors, the people of which was King Shaka Zulu, in the last century.
If you ask a white anthropologist in South Africa what the word Zulu means, he will say that it means “heaven” (laughter), which is how the Zulu call themselves “people of the sky”. This, sir, is nonsense. In the Zulu language, our name for the sky, the blue sky, is sibakabaka. Our name for interplanetary space, at the same time, is izulu, and veduzulu, which means “space between planets, dark sky where you see stars every night,” also refers to travel, sir. Zulu's word for arbitrary travel, like the nomads or gypsies, is izula.
Now, as you can see, the Zulu people from South Africa knew the fact that you can travel through space - not fly in the sky like a bird, but you can travel through space, and the Zulu claim that many, many years ago, they came here from behind the sky. a race of people who were like lizards, people who could change shape at will. And the people who gave their daughters to the "walking" (extraterrestrial) produced a strong race of Kings and Chiefs of the tribes. There are thousands of fairy tales in which a lizard woman takes the form of a human princess and takes her place and marries the Zulu Prince.
Every schoolboy in South Africa, sir, knows about the story of Princess Hombekansini. Hombekansini was to marry a handsome Prince named Kakaka, a name that means "enlightened."
Once, when Hombekansini was gathering wood for a fire in the thicket, she met a creature called Imbulu. And this Imbulu was a lizard that had a body and limbs like a man, but with a long tail. And this lizard said to Princess Hombekansini, “Oh, girl, how beautiful you are, I would like to be like you. I would like to look like you. May I come closer to you? the lizard woman Imbulu asked the princess.
And the princess said "Yes, you can."
And when the lizard, which had a tail, came closer, she spat in the princess's eyes and began to change.
So, the lizard suddenly began to change into a human form, and began to look more and more, and more and more like a girl, but with a long, pointed tail sticking out. And then, after a sudden outbreak of violence, the lizard woman tied up the princess and took off all her jewelry and all her beads and her wedding skirt. Then the lizard became a princess.
Now in the thicket there were two identical women, a changed lizard woman and a real woman.
And the lizard said to the real one - “Now you are my slave. Now you will help me get married. I will be you, and you will be my slave, let's go! She took a stick and began to beat the poor princess. And then she appeared in the company of other girls, bridesmaids of the Zulu customs, and arrived in the groom's village.
But before arriving in the village, the lizard woman did something with her tail to hide it. So, she made the princess weave a net of fibers, and tied the tail tightly to her. She now looked like a Zulu woman with attractive, very large buttocks when viewed from the side.
And then, when she arrived and became the prince's wife, strange things began to happen in the village. All the milk began to disappear because every night the fake princess used her tail to suck the collected milk through the hole at the tip of the tail. And then the mother-in-law said: “What is this? Why does the milk go missing? " Then she said "No, I see Imbulu among us."
The mother-in-law, an intelligent old woman, said, "A hole must be dug in front of the village and filled with milk." And so it was done. And then all the girls who came with the fake princess were told to jump over the pit. One by one they jumped. And when the shape-shifter was forced to jump under the spearheads, its tail broke out of the net and began to absorb milk from the pit, and the warriors killed the shape-shifter. And then the real princess Hombekansini became the wife of the king - King Kakaka.
Now, sir, this story has many versions. In South Africa, among the many tribes, you will find stories of these incredible creatures who can change from reptile to human, and from reptile to any animal they want. And these creatures, sir, really exist. It doesn't matter where you are, in South, East, West and Central Africa, you will find that the descriptions of these creatures are similar. Even among the tribes, which in their entire long history have never met with other tribes.
So, there are such beings here. I will never say that I know, sir, where they came from. But they are associated with some stars in the sky, and one of these stars is in a large group of stars, part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means "Great Serpent." And there is a red star, a reddish star, near the top of this great edge of stars that our people call Isone Nkanyamba.
Now, I began to look for how this star, Isone Nkanyyamba, is called in English. In English it is Alpha Centauri. Now, sir, there is something strange that deserves investigation. Why are there more than 500 tribes in different parts of Africa that I have visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?
It is said that these creatures feed on people, that they once rebelled against God, declared war on God himself, wanting to gain complete control over the universe. And God gave them a terrible battle, and he defeated them, wounded them and forced them to hide in underground cities.
They hid in deep caves underground, so they always feel cold. In these caves, we say, there are large fires that are supported by slaves, humans, slaves, like zombies. And it goes on to say that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you want to call them, cannot eat solid food. They rather eat human blood, or they eat their energy, the energy that is generated when people on the surface of the Earth fight and kill each other in large quantities.
I met people who had previously fled Masaki in Rwanda years ago, and these people were horrified at what happened in their country. They said that the massacre between the Hutu people and the Watusi people was, in fact, feeding Imanyuel, the monsters. Because Imanyuela is kind of breathing in the energy that comes from the masses of people who are terrorized or killed by other people. Are you still with me, sir?
Martin: Yes, I'm completely with you
Credo Mutwa: Now, let me point out one more interesting thing.
If you study the languages of all African nations, you will find words in the languages of our peoples that are very similar to the words of the East, the Middle East, and even Native Americans. Imanyuela's word means "Lord that comes." The word that anyone can find in Rwanda, among the Hutu and Watusi peoples, is very similar to the Hebrew word Immanuel, which means "The Lord is with us." Imanyuela - "the one who came, the Lord, who is here."
Our peoples believe, sir, that we, the people of Earth, are not the masters of our lives, indeed, even though we may think so. Our people say that black people of all tribes, all initiates, all shamans all over Africa, when they give you the truth and share their deepest secrets with you, they say that from Imanyuela, here is Imbulu.
And there is another name by which these creatures are called. This name is Chitauli. Now the word Chitauli means "dictators, those who gave us the law." In other words, "they who tell us secretly what we should do." Now, it is also said that the Chitauli did many things to us when they came to this planet.
Please forgive me, but I must share this story with you. This is one of the strangest stories you can find in the secret societies of shamans in Africa, where the remains of our ancient knowledge and wisdom are still preserved. So, initially, the Earth was covered with a thick layer of fog or haze. These people actually could not see the Sun in the sky, as well as the movement of light. And they also saw the Moon as a soft claw of light in the sky, because it was dense haze. And the rain always fell in a steady drizzle. There was no thunder here, never. There were no storms here.
The world was densely covered with large forests, great jungles, and the people of the Earth at that time lived peacefully.
People lived happily, and it is said that at that time they did not have the power of speech. We could only make funny sounds like happy monkeys or baboons, but we were speechless as we are now. And in those centuries, everyone spoke with the other through their consciousness.
A man could call his wife by thinking of her, imagining the image of her face, the smell of her body, the feeling of her hair as a woman. So the hunter could go into the forest and call the animal to come to him, and the animals could choose from among their number the one that is older and more tired, and this animal could offer itself to the hunter, so that the hunter would quickly kill him and take the meat to his cave.
There was no violence against animals. Then there was no violence of man against nature. Man asked Nature for food. He would come to a tree and think about the fruit, and the tree would let a few fruits fall to the ground, and the man would take them.
And then, it is said, when the Chitauli came to Earth, they arrived in terrifying vessels flying through the air, vessels shaped like large bowls, and making terrible noise and terrible fire in the heavens. And the Chitauli drove people together by the power of whips from lightning, and said that they are great gods from heaven and now people can receive many great gifts from God. These so-called gods, similar to people, but very tall, with long tails, and with terrible burning eyes, some of them had two eyes - bright, yellow eyes, some had three eyes, a red round eye in the middle of their forehead.
These beings then took away the great powers that people had: the power to communicate through consciousness, the power to move objects with the power of thought, the power to see the future and the past, and the power to travel, spiritually, across different worlds.
All these great powers Chitauli took away from people, and in return gave new strength, the power of speech.
But as people discovered, to their horror, the power of speech divided people, instead of uniting, because the Chitauli skillfully created different languages, which caused great quarrels between nations.
The Chitauli also did something that had never happened before: they put people to rule over people, and they said: “These are your kings, these are your leaders. They have our blood in them. They are our children, and you must listen to them, because they will voice our will. If you disobey, we will come and punish you terribly."
Before the Chitauli came, before the Imbulu beings came, people were spiritually united.
But when the Chitauli came, people were divided spiritually as well as by tongues.
And then people got strange new feelings from Chitauli. People began to feel danger, and they began to create villages with very strong hedges of wood around them. People started to create countries. In other words, they began to create tribes and mark the lands of the tribes that were delineated and which they protected from any possible encroachment. People became ambitious and greedy and they wanted to accumulate wealth in the form of livestock and seashells.
And the other thing the Chitauli forced people to do was dig mines. The Chitauli recruited human women and forced them to search for certain types of minerals and metals. Women found copper, women found gold, women found silver. And apparently they were trained by the Chitauli to explore these metals and create metals that were not on Earth before, metals like bronze like brass and others.
Then the Chitauli removed the sacred rain-carrying mist from the heavens and for the first time since the day of creation people looked up and saw the stars, and the Chitauli said that people were wrong, believing that God dwells in the Earth. "Now," Chitauli told the people of the Earth, "the people of the Earth must believe that God is in heaven, and here on earth people must do things that please God in heaven."
You see that initially people believed that the Goddess was in the Earth, that she was a great mother who dwells underground, because they saw all the green things growing out of the ground, the grass grows from the ground, Trees grow from there, and they believed that all people who die go underground.
But when the Chitauli turned their eyes to the sky, people now began to believe that God lives in Heaven, and those who die do not go underground, but ascend to Heaven. And by this day, sir, if you walk through Africa as an explorer, you will find this incredible - these two incredible ideas that conflict with each other.
Many tribes believe in what is called Mijimu or Badimu. The word Mijimu or Badimo means "those who are in the sky." But in the land of Zulu, among my people, you will find incredible schism. There are Zulus here who believe that the dead are Abapansi, which means "those who are below, those who are underground." There is also another idea here that says Abapezulu. The word Abapezulu means "those who are above", and the word Abapansi, which is the oldest name for the spirits of the dead, meaning "those who are underground."
So, even today, sir, all over Africa, among hundreds of tribes, you will find a strange dual belief that the dead go to heaven, and then another belief that the dead go underground. The belief that the dead go underground dates back to the days when our people believed that God was a woman, the great Cosmic Mother. This contrasts with Abapezulu's belief that God is a man in heaven.
Now, sir, another thing that the Chitauli told our people is that humans are changing the Earth and making it comfortable for God to come and dwell here one day. And it was said that those who work to change the Earth, and make it safe for the serpent god, Chitauli, who will come and be here, will be rewarded with great power and great wealth.
Sir, over many years of study, many years of initiation into the mysteries of African shamanism, wisdom and knowledge, I have wondered all the time why we human beings are actually destroying the Earth we live on. We are doing something that simply destroys all kinds of animals, namely African elephants, which completely destroys the trees in the place where we live.
We human beings do exactly that. And wherever you go in Africa, where great civilizations once existed, you will find deserts. For example, in South Africa there is the Kalahari Desert, under the sands of which I found the ruins of ancient cities, which means that people have turned these vast lands, which were once green and fertile, into a desert. And on the days when I was with explorers and safari participants in the Sahara Desert, I also found evidence of incredibly ancient human existence in places where now there is nothing but bare rocks and whistling sand.
In other words, the Sahara Desert was once a fertile country and was turned into a desert by human beings. Why? I have to ask myself, over and over again, why are people driven by fear, greed and a longing for power to turn the Earth into a desert in which in the end they themselves cannot survive? Why?
Even though we are aware of what we are carrying, why are we cutting down large tracts of jungle in Africa? Why are we carrying the instructions to Earth that the Chitauli programmed us with?
Even though my mind refuses to accept it, the answer is a terrifying yes, yes, yes.
Among the many people of knowledge who have honored me with their friendship, there is a man of great knowledge who lives in Israel, Dr. Sitchin. (Editor's note: This is a reference to Dr. Zachariah Sitchin, author of many provocative books on the interactions of extraterrestrials with the people of Earth in very ancient times).
According to the ancient books that were written by the peoples of Sumer, on clay, the gods came from beyond heaven, and made people work for them, dig gold for them. This story is in tune with African legends throughout Africa that the gods came from beyond heaven and made us their slaves, and they made us slaves in such a way that we would never guess that we are slaves.
Another thing, our people say, is that the Chitauli torment us like vultures. They raise some of us, they fill some of us with great hunger and great ambition, and they make these people great warriors who start great wars.
But in the end, the Chitauli do not allow these great leaders, these leaders and kings of great wars, to die peacefully. A great warrior is used to unleash as much war as possible, kill as many people he calls enemies as possible, and then, at the end, the war chief dies a horrible death, others shed his blood.
And I have seen this phenomenon in the history of my people, over and over and over again. Our great king, Shaka Zulu, fought over 200 major wars in his reign for over 30 years. And then he was killed and his death was violent. He died a broken man who, due to the death of his mother, no longer had the strength to win other battles.
And before Shaka Zulu there was another king who trained Shaka to become the great king he was. This king's name was Dingiswayo. Dingiswayo fought great wars trying to unite the Zulu people into one tribe. He saw the white people of the Cape, and he thought that by uniting his people into one huge tribe, he would be able to counter the threats that the white people put forward.
But after winning many battles for the unification of many tribes, King Dingiswayo was suddenly struck with an eye disease, as a result of which he was almost blind. And he was hiding a secret that he could no longer see. But his terrible secret was discovered by the queen of another tribe, Ntombazi. Ntombazi took a battle ax and decapitated Dingiswayo with a single blow after she invited him to her hut, where she gave him food and beer.
This phenomenon is similar to the events with the White leaders: Napoleon, in Europe, who died an inconspicuous death on his lonely island in the Atlantic Ocean, Hitler, also in Europe, who died a horrible death by sticking a pistol in his mouth and killing himself, Attila Hunn, who was killed by a woman, and many other great leaders who went to a difficult death after bringing as much death and suffering to as many people as they could.
King Shaka was killed in the back by his half-brother, who used a spear of a similar design as designed by Shaka to kill people as quickly as possible. And Julius Caesar also met a similar fate, after he, like King Shaka, conquered many nations.
Warriors-heroes have always died a death that they really shouldn't have died
King Arthur, in England, was killed by his own son, Mordred, after a long and daring reign. I can go on and on and on and on.
Now, all of these things, if you put them together, they will show that no matter whether people laugh at them or not, mock at them or not, there is some force that leads us humans to the dark river of self-destruction. And the sooner many of us realize this, the better we may be able to deal with it.
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